Showing posts with label pronouns and demonstratives. Show all posts
Showing posts with label pronouns and demonstratives. Show all posts

Thursday, January 8, 2026

20.03.26: Level 1 (review); presentation; 3rd person pronouns; demonstrative adjectives and pronouns [2]; word order

Video notes

[i] Quid est? │ What is it? The same expression can be used to express “What’s wrong / what’s the matter?”

[ii] Quid est hoc? │ What is this / it? [i.e. referring to an inanimate object]; the question uses the neuter hoc because, at that point, the gender remains unknown to the speaker; German: Was ist das [neuter]?; Russian: Chto eto [neuter]?; Spanish: ¿Qué es esto [neuter]?

[iii] When the answer is given, hic, haec and hoc will reflect the gender of the noun. Although indicating something near the speaker, ‘it’ rather than ‘this’ can also be used in translation.

Quid est hoc? │ What is this (thing) / it?

Hic est gladius [masculine] │ This is / it is a sword.

Hic gladius longus est │ This sword is long.

Haec est mēnsa [feminine] │ This / it is a table.

Haec mēnsa rotunda est │ This table is round.

Hoc est templum [neuter] │ This is / it is a temple.

Hoc templum antīquum est │ This temple is ancient.

[iv] Word order in Latin is flexible because the endings of words tell you how they are related to each other. In general, a verb is placed at the end of a sentence but that is by no means a hard and fast rule, and authors will change the order depending on, for example, the emphasis they wish to place on a word.

Hic gladius longus est = Hic gladius est longus│ This sword is long

Hic est gladius longus. │ This is a long sword.

20.02.24: Asking and saying who people are

https://www.facebook.com/groups/latinforstarters/posts/394496183161656/

20.02.24: hic, haec, hoc [2]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/latinforstarters/posts/394751416469466/

20.02.24: Quis est hic / haec?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/latinforstarters/posts/394756356468972/

20.02.24: hic, haec, hoc [3]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/latinforstarters/posts/394768023134472/

 

20.03.26: Level 1 (review); presentation; 3rd person pronouns; demonstrative adjectives and pronouns [1]

Video notes

Latin has different ways of expressing the 3rd person pronouns ‘he’ and ‘she’; we focus here only on two of them:

[i] They are generally not used unless there is some need to be specific i.e. the verb alone is enough.

Quis est? │ Who is (s)he?

Servus est │ He’s a slave.

Ancilla est │ She’s a maidservant.

Amīcus meus est│ He’s my friend.

Magistra nostra est │ She’s our teacher.

[ii] hic [masculine] / haec [feminine] are used when referring to somebody near the speaker, and can translate variously as:

Quis est hic? Who is this [person (male)] / this man / he?

Quis est haec? Who is this [person (female)] / this woman / she?

Hic est amīcus meus │ This / he is my friend.

Haec est magistra nostra │ This / she is our teacher.

In grammar they are known in this context as demonstrative pronouns i.e. they are used in place of a noun.

[iii] Hic and haec can also be used with nouns and act as demonstrative adjectives  i.e. the equivalent of ‘this boy, this lady’:

hic puer │ this boy

Quis est hic puer? │ Who is this boy?

Hic puer fīlius meus est │ This boy is my son.

haec puella │ this girl

Quis est haec puella? │ Who is this girl?

Haec puella fīlia mea est │ This girl is my daughter.

[iv] Although most first declension nouns are feminine, there are some which are masculine in gender because they were traditionally associated with male occupations

agricola: farmer

nauta: sailor

Words which agree with them are masculine in gender:

Hic est nauta │ This (man) / he is a sailor.

Hic agricola in agrō labōrat │ This farmer is working in a field.

[v] A small group of nouns ending in -er are 2nd declension masculine:

magister: teacher

puer: boy

Wednesday, January 7, 2026

14.03.26: Level 1 (review); gender; hic / haec / hoc

[1] Referring to:

19.02.24: gender

https://www.facebook.com/groups/latinforstarters/posts/394339326510675/

20.02.24 agreement; hic, haec, hoc [1]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/latinforstarters/posts/394529313158343/

[2] Latin nouns have gender – masculine, feminine, neuter – in the same way that, for example, French has le (masculine) and la (feminine), and German: der (masculine), die (feminine), das (neuter). Knowing the gender of a noun is important because other words e.g. adjectives will agree i.e. change their endings depending on the gender. ‘Gender’ does not simply apply to animate nouns (man, girl etc.) but also to inanimate nouns e.g. objects: French voiture (car) is feminine whereas autobus (bus) is masculine. Incidentally, the German Mädchen (girl) is neuter! And for those of us who learned these languages, that can be a bit of a headache because it is often not the case that you can know the gender simply by looking at the word – as my old French teacher said with a triumphant grin: “You just have to learn them!”

[3] Latin, however – and Russian – are more user-friendly because, for thousands of nouns, you can identify the gender from its ending. Now, that isn’t a 100% guarantee –  but don’t run before you can walk. The nouns that are primarily dealt with at the beginners’ stage belong to two declensions; that term refers to different groups of nouns which share the same endings.

[4] The nouns in the presentation belong to these two groups, known as the first and second declension

First Declension: nouns ending in -a; most are feminine (a few are masculine when they refer to occupations traditionally associated with males)

Second Declension:

[i] nouns ending in -us; most are masculine (a handful are feminine, and that is always pointed out in vocabulary lists)

[ii] nouns ending in -um; neuter

[5] In the presentation, there are no ‘curve balls’ -us: masculine; -a: feminine; -um: neuter

[6] You can see how the gender affects words that refer to that noun:

hic: this (masculine); hic est gladiusthis is a sword

haec: this (feminine); haec est pecūniathis is money

hoc: this (neuter); hoc est templumthis is a temple

[7] Key terms:

gender

masculine / feminine / neuter

declension

first / second declension

agreement

Monday, August 18, 2025

11.11.25: Level 3 (review); Pronouns and demonstratives: more from the authors

Although the posts explain the different ways in which the pronouns and demonstratives are used, bear in mind that the translations really are restricted to a handful of words. The following extracts show many of these in context. At the early stages of original literature, focus on meaning rather than dwelling on why a particular word is being used. Apart from the last two, they’re all from Plautus.

(1) Amōre captus Alcumēnās Iuppiter mūtāvit sēsē in fōrmam eius coniugis │ Jupiter, being seized with love for Alcmena, changed himself into the form of her husband

(2) postrīdiē in castra ex urbe ad nōs veniunt flentēs prīncipēs … ōrant ignōscāmus peccātum suom [ = suum], dēduntque sē │ The following day their foremost men come tearfully to the camp from the city to us [ = to our camp]  … and entreat us to pardon their transgression: and they surrender themselves

(3) Senex avārus vix sibi crēdēns Euclīō domī suae dēfossam multīs cum opibus aulam invenit, …. eius fīliam Lycōnidēs vitiārat │ A miserly old man named Euclio, barely trusting himself, finds a pot full of treasure buried within his house, …. Lyconides had corrupted his /  the old man’s  daughter.

(4) nesciō unde (2) haec (1) hic spectāvit │ I don’t know where (1) he saw (2) these things from

(5) ex aedibus ēiēcit huius māter │ And her mother [ = the mother of this (woman)] has thrown me out of the house

(6) Chrysale, quis ille est quī minitātur fīliō? / Vir hic est illīus mulieris quācum accubat │ Chrysalus, who is he / that man who is threatening my son? / He is the husband of that woman with whom he is lying on the couch.

(7) nam iam domum ībō atque—aliquid surripiam patrī. (1) id (2) istī dabō │ For I'll go home now, and—steal something from my father and give (1) it (2) to her.

(8) Sōsia ille, quem iam dūdum dīcō, is quī ¦ contudit │ That Sosia, who I’ve been talking about all along, he’s the one who smashed me up.

(9) nesciō etiam id quod sciō │ I don’t even know what [ = that which] I know.

(10) Mihi quoque adsunt testēs, quī illud quod ¦ ego dicam adsentiant. │ I have [ = to me there are] witnesses present, who will corroborate what [ = that which] I say.

(11) hanc fābulam, inquam, hic Iuppiter hodiē ipse aget │ This play, then, Jove himself will act in to-day

(12) Neque tū illī neque mihi virō ipsī crēdis? │ You won't believe him, or me, your very husband, either?

(13) nam vīdī hūc ipsum addūcere trapēzītam Exaerambum │ for I saw Exaerambus himself bringing the banker here

(14) Dīxitque patruus Saūl ad eum et ad puerum eius quō abistis quī respondērunt quaerere asinās … et dīxit patruus suus (Vulgate) │ Saul's uncle said to him and his attendant "Where did you go?" And they answered "To look for the donkeys," … and his uncle said to him

(15) Videntēs autem cōnservī eius quae fīēbant contrīstātī sunt valdē et vēnērunt et nārrāvērunt dominō suō omnia quae facta erant. Tunc vocāvit illum dominus suus et ait illī … (Vulgate) │ His fellow servants, seeing what was happening, were greatly distressed and they came and reported to their (own) master everything that had happened. Then his (own) master summoned him and said to him

11.11.25: Level 3 (review); ipse, ipsa, ipsum

English uses ‘-self / -selves’ in two different ways:

[1] As discussed in the previous posts, it conveys the third person reflexive pronoun i.e. ‘himself, herself, itself, and themselves

ex nāvī prōiēcit (Caesar) │ He threw himself from the ship

Puella in flumine lavat │ The girl is washing herself in the river

Per labor perfecit │ He completed the task by his own effort (ie by means of himself)

Dūxit sēcum virginem. │ He took the young girl with him(self)

Cōpiam frūctuum sibi cōnficiunt atque in hiemem servant │ They collect a supply of fruit for themselves and keep it for the winter

Sēsē castrīs tenēbant (Caesar) │ They kept themselves in the camp

[2] It has an emphatic use conveying the same idea as English ‘myself’, ‘yourself’, ‘himself’ etc. in combination with a noun or personal pronoun e.g. I myself can do it, the lady said it herself.

To express this idea, Latin does not use the reflexive pronoun, but the emphatic pronoun: ipse, ipsa, ipsum:

Agricola ipse frūctum numquam adspiciet │ The farmer himself will never see the fruit

Ancilla ipsa amphoram portāvit. │ The maidservant herself carried the jar

Prīmum amīcum plūs quam ipsum dīligō (Gesta Rōmānōrum) │I love the first friend more than me myself

16.07.25: Level 3; review: ipse, ipsa, ipsum

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2025/04/160725-level-3-review-ipse-ipsa-ipsum.html

[i] The pronoun declines in the same way as the nine pronominal adjectives discussed here:

19.07.25: Level 3; pronominal adjectives; introduction; the naughty nine …

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2025/04/190725-level-3-pronominal-adjectives.html

i.e. it has the same changes as those adjectives in the genitive singular (-īus) and dative singular (-ī)

[ii] It can translate either as “-self / -selves” or as “the very …”

Cicerō  ipsum laudāvit. │ Cicero praised me myself.

Fidēlissimī servī senem ad templum ipsum portāvērunt. │ The most faithful servants carried the old man to the temple itself /  the very temple.

[iii] in the 3rd person it can stand alone:

ipse cum gaudiō uxōrem senis mīlitis occīsī in mātrimōnium dūxit (gesta Rōmānōrum) │ and with joy he himself married the wife of the old soldier who had been killed

idque reī pūblicae praeclārum, ipsīs glōriōsum │ and this was splendid for the state, glorious for themselves

Dī capitī ipsīus generīque reservent │ May the gods hold in reserve [such a fate] to fall on his own head [ = the head of himself] and his son-in-law's

Examples from earlier posts:

Et omnēs hominēs cupidī erant rēgem Britannōrum ipsum spectandī.  │ All the people were eager to look at the king of the Britons himself.

Ante oculōs prīncipis ipsīus collocātus "Rēx sum" inquit … │ Placed before the eyes of the Emperor himself he said “I am a king”

Tum prīnceps … veniam lībertātemque Caractacō ipsī … dedit. │ The Emperor then gave mercy and freedom to Caractacus himself.

Magna multitūdō captīvōrum Britannicōrum ūnā cum Caractacō ipsō et uxōre frātribusque eius in catēnīs aderant. │ A great number of British prisoners together with Caractacus himself and his wife and brothers were present in chains.

Vōs ipsī iūdicāte: decet mulierem nōn vēlātam ōrāre Deum? (Vulgate) │ You yourselves judge: is it proper for a woman without a veil to pray to God?

Lēgātōs cīvium Rōmānōrum ipsōrum servāvistis. │ You have saved the ambassadors of the Roman citizens themselves.

Friday, August 15, 2025

08.11.25: Level 3 (review); reflexive constructions [2] [i] sē [ii] suus, -a, -um; practice

Exercise: complete the quotations with the appropriate form of [a] suus and [b] the reflexive pronouns; the answers are at the end of the post.

[a] forms of suus:

[i] He said to his son │ dīxit ad fīlium __________ (Vulgate)

[ii] And Judith spoke to her maid │ Dīxitque Judith puellae __________ (Vulgate)

[iii] Even now Biblus is not thinking about coming into his own province │ Bibulus nē cōgitābat quidem etiam nunc in prōvinciam __________ accēdere (Cicero)

[iv] his servants hurried to their lodgings │ festīnāvērunt servī illīus ad hospitia __________ (Vulgate)

[v] Without their own money, they will not do well │ sine pecūniā __________ nōn valēbunt

[vi] She / that woman saw the faults of her own sons │ illa culpās fīliōrum __________ vīdit

[vii] Caesar divided his troops │ Caesar cōpiās __________ dīvīsit (Caesar)

[viii] Why does he not do the same in his own letters? │ sed cūr nōn __________ litterīs īdem facit? (Cicero)

[ix] Now Israel loved Joseph more than any of his other sons [ = above all his sons] │ Isrāēl autem dīligēbat Joseph super omnēs fīliōs __________ (Vulgate)

sua; suā; suae; suam; suās; suīs; suōrum; suōs; suum

[b] reflexive constructions

[i] Give wise men to yourselves.  │ Date __________ virōs sapientēs (Vulgate)

[ii] I believe he’ll bring it out with him  │ crēdō ecferet iam __________ (Plautus)

[iii] I have freed myself from danger; I have given a benefit to myself. │ Līberāvī __________ perīculō: beneficium __________ dedī. (Seneca)

[iv] They all love themselves__________ omnēs amant (Plautus)

[v] This old man who is to ask for her hand [ = who will desire her as a wife for himself] │ hic quī poscet eam __________ uxōrem senex (Plautus)

[vi] And, the cup having been taken, he gave thanks and said: “Take this and share it among yourselves.” │ .” et acceptō calice grātiās ēgit et dīxit accipite et dīvidite inter __________ (Vulgate)

[vii] You should keep your own things [ = your things for / to yourself], and give me back mine │ __________ habeās rēs tuās, reddās meās (Plautus)

mē; mihi; sēcum; sēsē; sibi; tibi; vōbīs; vōs

[a]

[i] dīxit ad fīlium suum

[ii] Dīxitque Judith puellae suae

[iii] Bibulus nē cōgitābat quidem etiam nunc in prōvinciam suam accēdere

[iv] festīnāvērunt servī illīus ad hospitia sua

[v] sine pecūniā suā nōn valēbunt

[vi] illa culpās fīliōrum suōrum vīdit

[vii] Caesar cōpiās suās dīvīsit

[viii] sed cūr nōn suīs litterīs īdem facit?

[ix] Isrāēl autem dīligēbat Joseph super omnēs fīliōs suōs

[b]

[i] Date vōbīs virōs sapientēs

[ii] crēdō ecferet iam sēcum

[iii] Līberāvī  perīculō : beneficium mihi dedī. 

[iv] sēsē omnēs amant

[v] hic quī poscet eam sibi uxōrem senex

[vi] et acceptō calice grātiās ēgit et dīxit accipite et dīvidite inter vōs

[vii] tibi habeās rēs tuās, reddās meās

08.11.25: Level 3 (review); reflexive constructions [1] [i] sē [ii] suus, -a, -um

LINKS

(1) 09.09.24: Level 1; Ora Maritima 10[3]; notes

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/08/090924-level-1-ora-maritima-103-notes.html

(2) 28.09.24: Level 2; Ora Maritima [24] and [25] (7); grammar notes; reflexive constructions

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/08/280924-level-2-ora-maritima-24-and-25-7.html

(3) 28.05.25: Level 1; readings [12] - [15]: review (3); possessive adjectives

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2025/03/280525-level-1-readings-12-15-review-3.html

(4) 16.07.25: Level 3; review: the reflexive pronoun

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2025/04/160725-level-3-review-reflexive-pronoun.html

A reflexive construction is one which refers back to the subject of the sentence.

[1] To express ‘myself’ and ‘yourself’ Latin will use the the accusative, dative or genitive personal pronouns:

Mortī obtulī. │ I have exposed myself to death.

Cūr tibi litterās scrīpsistī? │ Why have you written a letter to yourself?

Itaque nōmina inter vōs permūtāstis (Plautus) │ That's how you exchanged names [ = you changed the names between yourselves]

[2] Latin distinguishes the reflexive construction in the 3rd person

[i] the reflexive pronoun (himself, herself, itself, themselves); it has no nominative form since it can only refer back to the subject of the sentence

Accusative: sē or sēsē

Cleopatra  interfēcit │ Cleopatra killed herself.

Compare: Cleopatra eum / eam interfēcit │ Cleopatra killed him / her

ex nāvī prōiēcit (Caesar) │ He threw himself from the ship

Dumnorīgem ad vocat (Caesar) │ He calls Dumnorix to him [i.e. to himself]

Sēsē castrīs tenēbant (Caesar) │ They kept themselves in the camp [as opposed to: Eōs castrīs tenēbant │ They kept them (another group) in the camp]

Genitive: suī

Ut Seneca philosophus dīxit, īra brevis īnsānia et impotēns suī est. │ As the philosopher Seneca said: anger is a brief madness and has no control of itself / power over itself.

Habētis ducem … oblītum suī │ You have a leader … forgetful of himself

Dative: sibi

Hominem sibi cārum audivit. │ He heard a man (who was) dear to him(self) i.e. dear to the person who heard

Ablative: sē (or sēsē)

Caesar, postquam hostēs superāvit, litterās ad senātum  sē mīsit, 'Vēnī, vīdī, vīcī.' │ After he conquered the enemy, Caesar sent a letter to the senate about himself, ‘I came, I saw, I conquered.'

As with the ablative of the other personal pronouns, when is used with cum, the preposition is attached to the end of the pronoun i.e. sēcum

Prīmum sēcum dīxit: “Iste bombus aliquid significat.” (Winne Ille Pu) │ First of all he said to himself  “That buzzing means something” [Note: Latin literally says with himself]

Examples:

inter cōnflīgunt │ they contend with each other [ = between themselves]

in Amphitruōnis vertit sēsē imāginem (Plautus) │ He (Jupiter) has turned himself into the image of Amphitryon

nam ubi parturit, deōs sibi invocat (Plautus) │ As soon as her time comes she calls on the gods to help her [ = she summons the gods to herself

At ut scelesta sōla sēcum murmurat (Plautus) │ Hear the old criminal mumbling away to [ = with] herself, though!

[ii] suus, -a, -um: declines in exactly the same way as meus, -a, -um i.e. like a 1st / 2nd declension adjective. It means ‘his, her, its, their’ but refers back to the subject i.e. the implication, even if not always translated, is his own, her own etc.

Like the other possessive adjectives, suus etc. will agree in gender, number and case with the noun ‘owned’:

Mātrem suam amat│ (S)he / she loves his / her (own) mother

Liberōs suōs amant │ They love their (own) children

Compare:

Mātrem eius timet │ (S)he / she fears his / her (somebody else’s) mother

Līberōs eōrum in vinculīs habēbat │ He had their (somebody else’s) children in chains

Examples from Plautus:

iussit vel nōs ātriēnsem vel nōs uxōrem suam dēfraudāre  │ HE gave us orders to deceive the steward, or else HIS wife [i.e. not the steward’s wife, but the wife of the man who gave the order]

cupiō esse amīcae quod det argentum suae  │ I desire that HE gives some money TO HIS mistress.

Hic* nunc domī servit suō patrī  │ He is now at home, a slave to his (own) father; *note: the translator neatly conveys hic as: “Now here he is …” i.e. pointing to him

Tēloboae contrā ex oppidō legiōnēs ēdūcunt suās  │ And from the city, too, the Teloboians led out their legions 

Quia salūtāre advenientem mē solēbās antidhāc, appellāre, itidem ut pudīcae suōs virōs quae sunt solent  │ Because till to-day you used to welcome me as I was arriving and greet me as modest (women / wives) generally do their husbands

servat mē ille suīs periūriīs  that man is saving me by perjuring himself [ = literally: by his own perjuries / false oaths]

Note: Unlike , which has no nominative case, suus, -a, -um can also be found in the nominative case when emphasising one’s own rather than somebody else’s, or referring back to a person in a previous statement. In the examples below a person is mentioned (1) and then a second statement is made referring back to that person (2). In other words, although (1) is not the subject of the second statement, the use of suus indicates that (2) is referring to that person.

(1) Nōbīscum hic perhonōrificē et peramīcē Octāvius. (2) Quem quidem suī Caesarem salūtābant (Cicero) │ (1) Octavius is here with us on terms of respect and friendship. (2) His own (people) address him as Caesar

Dē frātre satis. (1) Dē eius iuvene fīliō, indulsit illī quidem (2) suus pater semper (Cicero) │ Enough about (my) brother. (1) As for his young son, (2) his father has certainly always indulged him.

(1) C. Flāminius invītō senātū … ad populum lēgem agrāriam ferēbat. Hunc ¦ (2) pater suus ¦ concilium plēbis habentem dē templō dēdūxit (Cicero) │ (1) Caius Flaminius …against the consent of the senate … proposed an agrarian law to the people. While he was holding an assembly of the people, (2) his own father dragged him from the temple.

Mercātor quīdam fuit Syrācūsīs senex, eī sunt nātī (1) fīliī geminī duo, ita fōrma similī puerī, ut (2) māter sua nōn internōsse posset (Plautus) │ There was a certain old man, a merchant from Syracuse; to him (1) two twin sons were born so like in appearance that (2) their own mother could not tell them apart.

(1) C. enim Caesar vīllam in Herculānēnsī pulcherrimam, quia (2) māter sua aliquandō in illā cūstōdīta erat, dīruit (Seneca the Younger) │ For  (1) Gaius  Caesar destroyed  a  very  beautiful  villa  near  Herculaneum because  (2) his  mother had once been imprisoned in it

Wednesday, August 13, 2025

05.11.25: Level 3 (review); demonstratives [4]; 3rd person pronouns [ii] is / ea / id; practice

The answers are at the end of the post.

complete the quotations, all of which are from the Vulgate, with the appropriate pronouns listed below; many of them are used twice.

[i] It seemed difficult to / for him │ difficile __________ vidēbātur

[ii] He turned their supply of water into blood, and killed all their fish │ Convertit aquās __________ in sanguinem, et occīdit piscēs __________

[iii] They asked, and the quail came: and he filled them with the bread of heaven. │ Petiērunt, et vēnit coturnīx, et pāne cælī saturāvit __________.

[iv] And a man's kinsman shall take him up, and shall burn him,  │ et tollet __________ propinquus suus et conbūret __________

[v] If a man open a pit, and dig one, and does not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall into it …│ sī quis aperuerit cisternam et fōderit et nōn operuerit __________ cecīderitque bōs vel asinus in __________ …

[vi] These are the judgments which you shall set before them [ = propose to them] │  haec sunt iūdicia quae prōpōnēs __________

[vii] And his mouth was immediately opened, and his tongue, and he began to speak, praising God│ apertum est autem īlicō os __________ et lingua __________ et loquēbātur benedīcēns Deum

[viii]..and he shall say to him who is in the inner rooms of the house … │ dīcet __________ in penetrābilibus domus est

[ix] But hold on to what [ = that which] you have until I come │  tamen __________ habētis tenēte dōnec veniam

[x] And do not fear them / those who kill the body │ et nōlīte timēre __________ occīdunt corpus

eam; eam; eī; eī quī; eīs; eius; eius; eōrum; eōrum; eōs; eōs quī; eum; eum; id quod

[i] difficile vidēbātur

[ii] Convertit aquās eōrum in sanguinem, et occīdit piscēs eōrum

[iii] Petiērunt, et vēnit coturnīx, et pāne cælī saturāvit eōs.

[iv] et tollet eum propinquus suus et conbūret eum

[v] sī quis aperuerit cisternam et fōderit et nōn operuerit eam cecīderitque bōs vel asinus in eam

[vi] haec sunt iūdicia quae prōpōnēs eīs

[vii] apertum est autem īlicō os eius et lingua eius et loquēbātur benedīcēns Deum

[viii] dīcet eī quī in penetrābilibus domus est

[ix] tamen id quod habētis tenēte dōnec veniam

[x] et nōlīte timēre eōs quī occīdunt corpus

05.11.25: Level 3 (review); demonstratives [3]; 3rd person pronouns [ii] is / ea / id

LINKS

(1) 02.07.24: level 2; is, ea, id [2]; uses

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/06/020724-level-2-is-ea-id-2-uses.html

(2) 02.07.24: level 2; is, ea, id [3]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/06/020724-level-2-is-ea-id-3.html

(3) 08.07.24: is, ea, id [5]; the “table”: how will you handle it?

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/06/080724-is-ea-id-5-table-how-will-you.html

(4) 11.07.24: level 2; is, ea, id [6]; the “table”: how to handle it – step by step [1]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/06/110724-level-2-is-ea-id-6-table-how-to.html

(5) 14.07.24: level 2; is, ea, id [7]; the “table”: how to handle it – step by step [2]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/06/14.html

(6) 17.07.24: level 2; is, ea, id [8]; the “table”: how to handle it – step by step [3]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/06/170724-level-2-is-ea-id-8-table-how-to.html

(7) 20.07.24: level 2; is, ea, id [9]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/06/200724-level-2-is-ea-id-9.html

(8) 23.07.24: level 2; is, ea, id [10]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/06/230724-level-2-is-ea-id-10.html

(9) 22.05.25: Level 1; readings [12] - [15]: review (1b); the demonstrative is, ea, id

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2025/02/220525-level-1-readings-12-15-review-1b.html

Like hic, ille and iste, is / ea / id can also function either as demonstrative adjectives (this / that / those / these) or as pronouns (he, she, it, they etc.)

Postrēmō is vir, vel etiam virī … (Cicero) │ And lastly, the man, I might even say the men …

Note! The translator uses the English definite article ‘the’; Latin does not have a definite article but is / ea / id are the closest it gets – and are sometimes translated as such – because the main difference is that these pronouns – sometimes referred to as “weak” pronouns – are used when referring to something / someone already mentioned. Unlike hic, ille and iste they can neither point out nor introduce someone / something previously unknown. English can make a similar distinction.

If your opening remark is “I don’t like him”, it means nothing to the listener because it has no referent (the term used for the person / thing that the pronoun stands for).

I met my new boss yesterday, but I don’t like him. Now it makes sense.

The examples below show a referent before the pronoun is used:

quīn coniectōrēs ā mē cōnsilium petunt: quod eīs respondī (Plautus)│ why, the interpreters of dreams ask advice from me; the answer that I have given to them

hodiē illa pariet fīliōs geminōs duōseōrum Amphitruōnis alter est, alter Iovis (Plautus)│ now she shall bring forth twin sons … one of them is Amphitryon's child, the other Jove's

Quia nostrōs agnōs conclūsōs istīc esse aiunt duōs. / Et praeter eōs agnōs meus est istīc clam mordāx canis (Plautus) │ Because they say two of our lambs are shut up in there. / And besides those lambs, there's a dog of mine, a biter, skulking in there

This short extract from the Vulgate shows the difference in usage between demonstratives; the two people – ‘him’ and ‘her’ – have been referred to earlier in the text:

Et nōluit audīre eam: sed vocātō puerō quī ministrābat , dīxit: Ēice hanc ā mē forās, et claude ōstium post eam │ And he refused to hear her.  After the servant who attended to him had been summoned, he said, “Get this woman [i.e. he is pointing to her] out of my sight and bolt the door after her.”

[2] the genitive of these pronouns – eius / eōrum / eārum – is often the equivalent of the possessive adjectives ‘his, her(s), their(s)’

[i] eius = of him / her / it; his / her(s) / its i.e. it does not change according to gender

Estne eius? (Plautus) │ Is it his? [ = literally: Is it of him?]

Note that the genitive of the other demonstratives can also convey possession, for example:

Senex quī hīs habitat Hegīō est huius pater (Plautus) │ The old man that lives yonder, Hegio, is this man's father.

Atque etiam Philippum, numerātum illīus in mēnsā manū, mīlle nummum (Plautus) │ And even sovereigns, counted out at the (banker's) table by his hand [literally: by the hand of him / that man], a thousand of them.

[ii] eōrum / eārum = of them; their(s); eōrum is used when referring to a masculine or neuter ‘possessor’, eārum to a feminine:

eae nunc legiōnēs, cōpiae exercitūsque eōrum (Plautus) │ Now these regiments, battalions, and armies of theirs [ = their regiments …]

Again, note the different demonstratives being used in the same extract:

Sed istae rēgīnae domī suae fuērunt ambae, eārum patriam ego excidī manū. Hīs tē donō. (Plautus) │ But both of them [ = both these]  were queens at their own homes before I laid waste their native land with this right arm. I present you with them.

[3] It is common to find is / ea / id with the relative pronoun quī / quae / quod to express ‘he who, she who etc.’

is quī scrīpsit hanc (Terence) │ he who wrote it / this

Bene eī quī invidet mī et eī quī hoc gaudet (Plautus) │ Good health to him who envies me, and to him who rejoices in this.


Friday, August 8, 2025

02.11.25: Level 3 (review); demonstratives [2]; 3rd person pronouns [i] hic / ille / iste; practice

Complete the quotations with the appropriate forms of [1] hic, [2] ille and [3] iste. The answers are at the end of the post. All of the quotations are from the works of Plautus i.e. plays, which shows the frequency with which they occur in spoken Latin.

[1]

[i] What do you mean by receiving this man at your house – my husband? │ Quid tibi __________ receptiō ad tē est meum virum?

[ii] This poor (girl) suits (me)  │ _________ pauper placet

[iii] Judging by his remarks [ = the remarks of this (man)] │ cum _________ dicta intellegō

[iv] You promise him [ = make a promise to him] │ tū prōmitte _________

[v] They’re calling us sheep, the sluts! / Their shepherd [ = of them / of these (women)] must be taking a nap... │ Ovis nōs vocant pessumae. / Pāstor _________ dormit …

[vi] None of them has it? │ nēmō habet _________?

[vii] Now, I want you to do this (thing) │ nunc ego tē facere _________ volō

[viii] Didn't our ship arrive (on) this night from Port Persicus? │  nōnne _________ noctū nostrā nāvis hūc ex portū Persicō venit?

[ix] And to think I hesitated for a long time whether to buy these men or not! │ at etiam dubitāvī, _________ hominēs emerem an nōn emerem, diū.

[x] Now for a word with the lady [ = I shall address her / this (woman)] │ nunc _________  adloquar

hāc; haec; hanc; hārum; hoc; hōrum; hōs; huic; huius; hunc

[2]

[i] Is he trying me on purpose? │ an __________ mē temptat sciēns?

[ii] I feel sorry for him / the lad │ Miseret [miseret + genitive case] mē __________.

[iii] I leave / go away from them │ abeō ab __________

[iv] There's nothing (1) of those things I didn’t say (2) to him.  │ Nihil est (1) __________ quīn ego (2) __________ dīxerim.

[v] Now I don’t like that [ = that doesn’t please (me)] │ Iam __________ nōn placet

[vi] It’s all over with me (I’ve died) if I don’t find those twenty minae* │ Interiī, sī nōn inveniō ego __________ vīgintī minās

*mina, -ae [1/f]: a Greek silver coin

[vii] And now my father is inside here with her in his arms │ meus pater nunc intus hīc cum  __________ cubat

illā; illās; ille; illī; illīs; illīus; illōrum; illud

[3]

[i] I’ll take care of that │ ego __________ cūrābō

[ii] Untie him │ Exsolvite istum

[iii] Ugh! My heart and head split whenever there’s mention of that man. │ Heu, cor meum et cerebrum, Nicobule, finditur, __________ hominis ubi fit quomque [ = cumque] mentiō

[iv] Those eyes of yours, you old sinner! By heaven, I'll dig 'em out for you. │ oculōs hercle ego __________, improba, effodiam tibi

[v] Go away from them │ Ābīte ab __________

[vi] I'll make you hold that tongue of yours today, you miscreant. │ Ego tibi __________ hodiē, sceleste, comprimam linguam.

[vii] I will appoint some one else to that office │ alium ego __________ reī allēgābō

[viii] That’s your fault │ Tua __________ culpa est

ista; istam; istī; istīs; istīus; istōs; istud; istum

____________________

[1]

[i] Quid tibi hunc receptiō ad tē est meum virum?

[ii] haec pauper placet

[iii] cum huius dicta intellegō

[iv] tū prōmitte huic

[v] Ovis nōs vocant pessumae. / Pāstor hārum dormit …

[vi] nēmō habet hōrum?

[vii] nunc ego tē facere hoc volō

[viii] nōnne hāc noctū nostrā nāvis hūc ex portū Persicō venit?

[ix] at etiam dubitāvī, hōs hominēs emerem an nōn emerem, diū.

[x] nunc hanc adloquar

[2]

[i] an ille mē temptat sciēns?

[ii] Miseret mē illīus.

[iii] abeō ab illīs

[iv] Nihil est (1) illōrum quīn ego (2) illī dīxerim.

[v] Iam illud nōn placet

[vi] Interiī, sī nōn inveniō ego illās vīgintī minās

[vii] meus pater nunc intus hīc cum illā cubat

[3]

[i] ego istud cūrābō

[ii] Exsolvite istum.

[iii] Heu, cor meum et cerebrum, Nicobule, finditur, istīus hominis ubi fit quomque mentiō.

[iv] oculōs hercle ego istōs, improba, effodiam tibi

[v] Ābīte ab istīs.

[vi] Ego tibi istam hodiē, sceleste, comprimam linguam.

[vii] alium ego istī reī allēgābō

[viii] Tua ista culpa est

02.11.25: Level 3 (review); demonstratives [1]; 3rd person pronouns [i] hic / ille / iste

LINK: 04.05.24: review; birthday plans [7] notes: other points (iii); demonstrative adjectives and pronouns [1]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/05/04.html

Unlike English, Latin does not have a single, dedicated group of words that function as he, she, it, them etc. There are four sets of words which can act as the equivalent of the English 3rd person pronouns and are usually referred to under the general heading of demonstratives. In this post we will look at three of them:

[i] hic, haec, hoc [image #1]

[a] as a demonstrative adjective describing a noun

hic vir │ this man; discipulī │ these pupils

[b] as a demonstrative pronoun meaning this (man, woman, thing) or these (men, women, things) or, simply, as he, she, it, they etc.

hic est vir fortis │ this / he is a brave man; sunt discipulī diligentēs │ these / they are hard-working pupils

LINKS

(1) 20.02.24 agreement; hic, haec, hoc [1]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/04/20_10.html

(2) 20.02.24: practice using hic, haec, hoc

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/04/read-notes-again-in-previous-post-and.html

(3) 20.02.24: hic, haec, hoc [2]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/04/hic-haec-hoc-2-hic-haec-hoc-can-also-be.html

(3) 20.02.24: hic, haec, hoc [3]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/04/hic-haec-hoc-3-these-three-words-can.html

[ii] ille, illa, illud [image #2]

LINK: 27.03.24: ille, illa, illud

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/04/270324-ille-illa-illud.html

[a] as a demonstrative adjective describing a noun

ille vir │ that man; illī discipulī │ those pupils

[b] as a demonstrative pronoun meaning that (man, woman, thing) or those (men, women, things) or, simply, as he, she, it, they etc.

ille dīxit │ that (man) / he said; illī dīxērunt │ those (people) / they said

At illī dīxērunt: Domine, ecce duo gladiī hīc*. At ille dīxit eīs: Satis est. (Vulgate) │ And they said: “Look, Master, there are two swords here.” And he said to them: “That is enough.”

*Note hīc – with long /ī/ - which means ‘here’ i.e. it has a different meaning from hic with short /i/.

The broad difference between [i] and [ii] above is whether the speaker is referring to someone / something [a] close or [b] further away:

[i] Quis est hic? Who is this?

[ii] Quis est ille? Who is that?

ille and hic and can also be used to distinguish between two (groups of) people in a similar way to English ‘the former’ and ‘the latter’ i.e. the sentence refers to the two groups of supporters of Remus and Romulus respectively:

Level 3; Kings of Rome [2]; the new city; the omens; the slaying of Remus

https://adckl2.blogspot.com/2025/05/level-3-kings-of-rome-2-new-city-omens.html

Deōs igitur auguriō cōnsulunt. … Priōrī [i] Remō signum venit; cui sex vulturēs cito appārent. Hōc nūntiātiō, duodecim [ii] Rōmulō sēsē ostendunt. Utrumque rēgem suī comitēs salūtāvērunt. Tempore enim [i] illī, [ii] numerō avium rēgnum sibi vindicābant.

Therefore, they consulted the gods by means of an augur. A sign came first to [i] Remus, and six vultures quickly appeared to him. After this had been announced, twelve showed themselves to [ii] Romulus. The groups of supporters each greeted their king, for [i] the former (i.e. the supporters of Remus) laid claim to the kingdom based upon (priority of) time, [ii] the latter (i.e. the supporters of Romulus) on the number of birds.

LINKS to [i] and [ii]

(1) 04.05.24: review; birthday plans [7] notes: other points (iii); demonstrative adjectives and pronouns [1]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/05/04.html

(2) 04.05.24: review; birthday plans [8] notes: other points (iv); demonstrative adjectives and pronouns [2] Examples of ille from the authors

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/05/040524-review-birthday-plans-8-notes.html

[iii] iste, ista, istud [image #3]

LINK: 04.05.24: review; birthday plans [9] notes: other points (iv); demonstratives and pronouns [3]

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/05/040524-review-birthday-plans-9-notes.htm

While the distinctions between [i] and [ii] are generally obvious, there is no clear-cut equivalent of iste etc.

As with [ii] it can function as a demonstrative adjective [that / those] or as a pronoun [that (man) / he etc.] but refers to someone / something near the person being addressed, or someone / something with which the listener is connected (i.e. not necessarily physically present). While it can be translated in the same way as ille, check the context because, in Classical Latin, it is very often used pejoratively i.e. there is negative connotation to its use.

Quid quod adventū tuō ista subsellia vacuēfacta sunt (Cicero)│ What of this, that upon your arrival those benches around you / where you’re sitting were emptied [i.e. Cicero is referring to something near the person being addressed]

Quae est ista praetūra? (Cicero) │ what sort of partnership is that of yours? [referring to something with which the listener is associated]

Quid istud est negōtī? (Plautus) │ What business is that of yours?

Tamen istum condemnētis necesse est (Cicero) │ still you must condemn him / that man [clearly pejorative in the sense that Cicero believes he should be condemned]

Hercle istum dī omnēs perduint (Plautus) │ By Hercules, may all the gods damn that man!

Sunday, July 27, 2025

29.10.25: Level 3 (review); personal pronouns [2]; 1st / 2nd person pronouns [ii] practice

The answers are at the end of the post.

Complete the Latin quotations with the appropriate pronouns listed below:

[1]

[i] Which woman seems by far the wisest to you (sg.)? │ Quae __________ mulier vidētur multō sapientissima? (Plautus)

[ii] That’s no name of mine [ = to me] │ Nōn id est nōmen __________ (Plautus)

[iii] All that's permitted (to) us in Athens │ Licet haec Athēnīs __________ (Plautus)

[iv] Curses (to) you (all)! │ Vae __________! (Plautus)

[v] These things, my dear, make me tired of life │ Haec rēs vītae __________, soror, saturant (Plautus)

[vi] Bring (him) here with you (sg.)│ __________ addūce (Plautus)

[vii] It doesn’t seem to me that men are living here with me, but swine │ Nōn hominēs habitāre __________ mī [ = mihi] hīc videntur, sed suēs (Plautus)

[viii] (yet) we live, and that city (Rome) is standing │ __________ vīvimus, et stat urbs ista (Cicero)

[ix] And I wanted or rather longed that he should be with me [note: Cicero tends to us ‘us’ rather than ‘me’; therefore, here, with us]. │ Ego volēbam autem vel cupiēbam potius esse eum __________.

mē; mēcum; mihi; nōbīs; nōbīscum; nōs; tēcum; tibi; vōbīs

[2]

Some of these examples show the use of the genitive of the pronouns (marked in bold):

[i] If (1) I don't lay some plan to prevent it, some sly one like (similar to) (2) myself   [La: similis + genitive] │ Nisi quid (1) __________ (2) __________ simile aliquid contrā cōnsilium parō (Plautus)

[ii] None of us doubted │ Dubitābat __________ nēmō (Cicero)

[iii] (1) You pity [ = it causes you (accusative) pity] others, but have no pity for (2) yourself [genitive], or shame either. │ Miseret (1) __________ aliōrum, (2) __________ nec miseret nec pudet (Plautus)

Addressing more than one person:

[iv] … when he sees (1) you (accusative) and men like (similar to) (2) you (pl.) [La: similis + genitive] │ … cum vōs, cum vestrī similēs … vīderit (Cicero)

ego; meī; nostrum; tē; tuī; vestrī; vōs

[1]

[i] Quae tibi mulier vidētur multō sapientissima?

[ii] Nōn id est nōmen mihi

[iii] Licet haec Athēnīs nōbīs

[iv] Vae vōbīs!

[v] Haec rēs vītae , soror, saturant

[vi] Tēcum addūce

[vii] Nōn hominēs habitāre mēcum mī hīc videntur, sed suēs

[viii] Nōs vīvimus, et stat urbs ista

[ix] Ego volēbam autem vel cupiēbam potius esse eum nōbīscum.

[2]

[i] Nisi quid (1) ego (2) meī simile aliquid contrā cōnsilium parō

[ii] Dubitābat nostrum nēmō

[iii] Miseret (1) aliōrum, (2) tuī nec miseret nec pudet

[iv] … cum (1) vōs, cum (2) vestrī similēs … vīderit

29.10.25: Level 3 (review); personal pronouns [1]; 1st / 2nd person pronouns [i]

LINKS

(1) 25.02.24: subject pronouns

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/04/subject-pronouns-it-has-already-been.html

(2) 22.05.25: Level 1; readings [12] - [15]: review (1a); personal pronouns (1)

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2025/02/220525-level-1-readings-12-15-review-1a.html

Latin seems to have a staggering array of pronouns. However, the way in which they translate is generally no different from English i.e. I, me, him, them etc. The focus is more on how the different pronouns are used in different contexts.

We can divide the pronouns into two groups i.e. [1] the first / second person pronouns (e.g. I, me, we, us, you etc.) and [2] the 3rd person pronouns e.g. he, him, them etc. It is the 3rd person pronouns that take some time to master.

We will deal here with the 1st/ 2nd person pronouns.

1st / 2nd person pronouns

[1] The nominative of the subject pronouns is generally not used since the verb ending makes it clear who is performing the action: ambulōI am walking. However, they are used when there is a need to emphasise and / or make a contrast, or to clarify, or when the pronoun stands alone. In written English such a use may be indicated by italics e.g. You may think that but I have a different opinion.

Ego in Britanniā habitō, sed in Ītalia habitās. │ I live in Britain, but you live in Italy.

Quid agis? Bene, grātiās agō. Et ? │ How are you? I’m fine, thanks. And you?

Vōs in agrō laborātis, sed nōs in templō ōrāmus. │ You (all) work in the field, but we pray in the temple.

[2] ; vōs: be careful not to be influenced by other languages where there is more than one word for ‘you’. In French, for example, the second person pronouns tu and vous - derived from the Latin and vōs - distinguish not only between talking to one person or more than person, but the relationship between the person speaking and the person addressed, Fr. tu only used informally with one person who is, for example, a friend, a family member or somebody markedly younger whereas Fr. vous is used for all groups of people and formally to one person who is not known e.g. a shop assistant, or a stranger in the street. Similar distinctions occur in Spanish, German and Russian.

The only distinction made in Classical Latin is whether one person is being addressed (tū) or more than one (vōs) i.e. the age, relationship or status of the person / people being addressed is not a factor. The use of vōs in the way that French uses vous to one person in formal / respectful situations does, however, occur in Mediaeval Latin.

[3] mihi can also be found as

[4] the preposition cum (with) when used with the ablative pronouns is attached to the end of the pronoun:

cum (with me); tēcum (with you), nōbīscum (with us), vōbīscum (with you [pl.])

pax vōbīscum │ peace (be) with you

[5] the genitive pronouns: meī; tuī; nostrum, nostrī; vestrum, vestrī

These should not be confused with the possessive adjectives the endings of which can look the same:

meus, -a, -um: my (mine); amīcus meus │ my friend; amīcī meīmy friends

tuus, -a, -um: you [sg.] (yours); pecūnia tua │ your money;

In hīs inventae sunt quīnque imāgunculae mātrōnārum, in quibus ūna sorōris amīcī tuī (Cicero) │ In this (baggage) were found five little busts of Roman married ladies, among them one of the sister of your friend

noster, nostra, nostrum: our(s); patria nostra │ our fatherland

Nam Catōnem nostrum nōn tū amās plūs quam ego (Cicero) │ For you do not love our (friend) Cato more than I do

Nunc et nostrī hostēs ibi sunt (Cicero) │ But now our enemies are there

vester, vestra, vestrum: your [pl.] (yours); inimīcī vestrīyour enemies

The possessive adjectives function like any other adjective, agreeing in case, gender and number with the noun.

They are by far more common and not the same as the genitive pronouns below:

[a] meī; tuī

[b] nostrum, nostrī; vestrum, vestrī

While [a] and [b] can be used to indicate possession, they generally appear in different contexts:

objective genitive

He worked hard for ¦ [i] the love [ii] of his family. (English may also use ‘for’ e.g. He was motivated by [i] hatred [ii] for his enemies)

In the examples, the objects of the love and hatred  are ‘family’ and ‘enemies’ i.e. He worked hard because he loved his family, and he was motivated because he hated his enemies. In Latin, these are expressed in the genitive case, this construction known specifically as the objective genitive.

amor patriae: love of / for the fatherland

odium hostium: hatred of / for the enemies

… ut vōbīscum ¦ dē [i] amōre [ii] reī pūblicae certent (Cicero) │ …in order to vie with you ¦ in [i] love [ii] for the republic

Imperātor ¦ [i] odiō [ii] hostium dūcitur. │ The general is guided ¦ by [i] (his) hatred [ii] of (his) enemies.

This is where these pronouns step in:

ūror [i] amōre [ii] meī (Ovid) │ I burn [i] with love [ii] of / for myself (stated,  unsurprisingly, by Narcissus!)

cāritās tuī │ affection for you [i.e. not *your* affection]

… utrum contrā nōs faciat an prō sē, [i] amōre [ii] alterīus an [i] odiō [ii] nostrī.  (Seneca the Younger) │ … whether he acts against us or for himself, and whether [i] because of love [ii] for another or [i] out of hatred [ii] for us

Habētis ducem [i] memorem [ii] vestrī │ You have a leader (who is) [i] mindful [ii] of you

partitive genitive

The alternative pronouns nostrum and vestrum are used in partitive constructions i.e. the equivalent of, for example “Which one of us will tell the king?” and “Many of you may be killed.”

Quis nostrum? │ Which of us?

Cicero tibi plurimam salutem dicit. Tu dices utriusque nostrum verbis et Piliae tuae et filiae (Cicero) │ Cicero pays you his best respects. Please give the compliments of both of us to your wife (Pilia) and daughter

Mīrum vidērī nēminī vestrum volō, spectātōrēs (Plautus) │ I don’t want to seem strange to any of you, spectators.