Showing posts with label degrees of comparison. Show all posts
Showing posts with label degrees of comparison. Show all posts

Wednesday, April 15, 2026

08.10.26: Level 1 (review); vocabulary [22]: the Portall to the Gate of Tongues (1642): comparatives [ii]

Label the images:

Aspis est pessima.

Camēlus est māior.

Cervīsia est bona.

Elephās est maximus.

Lacerta est mala.

Mulsum est melius.

Pārus est minor.

Passer est parvus.

Prīmus est doctus.

Secundus est doctior.

Taurus est magnus.

Tertius est doctissimus.

Trochilus est minimus.

Vīnum est optimum.

Vīpera est peior.

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08.10.26: Level 1 (review); vocabulary [21]: the Portall to the Gate of Tongues (1642): comparatives [i]

Comparatives | Comparātīva

The first is learned. | Prīmus est __________.

The second is more learned. | Secundus __________.

The third most learned | Tertius __________.

Irregular Comparison | Anōmala Comparātiō

A bull is large. | Taurus est __________.

A camel bigger. | Camēlus __________.

An elephant the biggest. | Elephās __________.

A sparrow is small. | Passer est __________.

A titmouse smaller. | Pārus __________.

A wren the smallest. | Trochilus __________.

Ale is good. | Cervīsia est __________.

Meath (mead) better. | Mulsum __________.

Wine the best. | Vīnum __________.

A lizard is bad. | Lacerta est __________.

A viper worse. | Vīpera __________.

An asp the worst. | Aspis __________.

bonus, doctior, doctissimus, doctus, magnus, malus, māior, maximus, melius, minor, minimus, optimus, parvus, peior, pessimus

Monday, November 24, 2025

12.02.26: Level 1; Carolus et Maria [24][vii]: object of comparison; relative superlative

[1] object of comparison

Urbs antīqua etiam (1) pulchrior erat (2) quam haec. │ The ancient city was even (1) more beautiful (2) than this one.

When, for example, you say that the temple is older than the museum, the noun (or pronoun) after than is known as the object of comparison. In Latin, the object of comparison can be formed in two ways:

The man is stronger ¦ than the boy.

[i] Vir [nominative] fortior est ¦ quam puer [nominative].

[ii] Vir [nominative] fortior est ¦ puerō [ablative].

They are not always interchangeable, but – at this stage – it is enough to recognise both possibilities.

Links

Object of comparison with:

[i] quam

https://youtu.be/Fm1EIvgFTvI

[ii] the ablative case

https://youtu.be/wTyQM41nfUk

[2] relative superlative

“Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?”

[1] The superlative can stand alone:

Fortissimus est. │ He is the bravest.

[2] The relative superlative refers to when the superlative is used in relation to something else e.g. the bravest of (all) the soldiers. Latin expresses this idea in two ways:

[i] With the genitive, and usually genitive plural since the superlative tends to be highlighting the best, worst etc. of a group, more than one person or thing:

eloquentissimus ¦ Rōmānōrum │ the most eloquent ¦ of the Romans

doctissimus ¦ magistrōrum │ the most educated ¦ of the teachers

pulcherrima omnium fēminārum │ the most beautiful ¦ of all the women

altissima ¦ arborum │ the tallest ¦ of the trees

[ii] With ē / ex + ablative plural

altissima ex arboribus │ the tallest of the trees

doctissimus ē magistrīs │ the most educated of the teachers

That is similar to English “He’s the best pupil out of that whole class.

https://adckl.blogspot.com/2024/10/051224-level-2-degrees-of-comparison-17.htm

Thursday, October 3, 2024

13.12.24; level 2; degrees of comparison [22]; comparative and superlative of adverbs [3]; irregular forms

There are a very small number of irregular comparative and superlative of adverbs

[i] multum: a lot > magis: more > maximē: the most; mostly; chiefly / especially

ī ad illum quem magis amās quam patrem (Seneca the Elder) │ Go to him whom you love more than the father.

Cato’s recommendation to take time when buying a farm, and not just to visit it once: Quotiēns ībis, totiēns magis placēbit quod bonum erit. │ However often you (will) go, each time what will be good will please you more.

quam ob rem mihi magis pār est viā dēcēdere et concēdere (Plautus) │ For this reason, it is more fitting to get out of the road and to make room for me. 

exoptā id quod vīs maximē tibi ēvenīre: fīet (Plautus) │ Long for what you desire the most to happen to you; it shall be done.

Ubi ego erō? / Ubi maximē esse vīs (Plautus) │ Where shall I be? / Where you most want to be.

Uxōrēs habent dēnī* duodēnīque* inter sē commūnēs et maximē frātrēs cum frātribus parentēsque cum līberīs (Caesar)│ Ten and even twelve have wives common to them, and particularly brothers among brothers, and parents among their children.

*dēnus, -a, -um: ten (each); duodēnus, -a, -um: twelve (each)

[ii] parum: not enough > minus: less > minimē: least (of all); very little; no; not at all

Pacidēius suōs equitēs exporrigere coepit in longitūdinem, quī nihilō minus ¦ fortissimē ācerrimēque pugnābant. (Dē bellō Āfricō; adapted) │ Pacideius began to deploy his horsemen on a broader front, and they still fought with the utmost gallantry and spirit. [= and no less did they fight most bravely and (most) fiercely]

Quid vīs, Pamphile? / Pa. Hinc abīre mātrem? minimē. (Terence) │ What do you want, Pamphilus? / PAMPHILUS: My mother go away? By no means.

Iam illud minimē mīrum est (Cicero) │ Now that is not at all strange

Nicostrātus quīdam, fidēlis Oppianicī servolus, percūriōsus et minimē mendāx (Cicero) │ a certain Nicostratus, a faithful slave of Oppianicus's, a man who was very curious and by no means a liar

[iii] diū: for a long time > diūtius: for longer; for too long > diūtissimē: for the longest time; for a very long time

Nam mihi quidem quotīdiē augēscit magis / Dē fīliō aegritūdō; et quantō diūtius / abest, magis cupiō tantō et magis dēsīderō. (Terence)│ For really my sorrow about my son increases [= grows more] daily; and the longer he is away from me, so much more do I wish for him, and the more I miss him.

Superlative adverb and adjective in the same sentence:

Quī diūtissimē impūberēs permānsērunt, maximam inter suōs ferunt laudem. (Caesar) │ Those who have remained virgins for the longest time, they bear the greatest praise amongst their own people.

[iv] potius:  rather > potissimum:  first of all; above all; in preference to all; most preferably

Quidquid est, ipse ībit potius (Plautus) │ Whatever it is, he’ll rather go there himself.

vōbīs nārrābō potius meās nunc miseriās (Plautus) │ I will rather [ = I’ll prefer to] relate my woes to you.

[v] saepe: often > saepius: more often > saepissimē: most often

Quīn melius nōvī quam tū et vīdī saepius. (Plautus) │ Why, I know him better than yourself, and have seen him more times.

tū mē dē tuīs rēbus omnibus et dē Lentulī tuī nostrīque studiīs et exercitātiōnibus velim quam familiārissimē certiōrem et quam saepissimē faciās (Cicero) │  I should like you to write about all your affairs, and about the studies and training of your son Lentulus (whom I regard as mine also) as confidentially and as frequently as possible

11.12.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [21]; comparative and superlative of adverbs [2] superlative adverbs

superlative adverb

Remove the ending of the superlative adjective and add -ē; again, even if that superlative form is irregular, it makes no difference because all the superlative adjectives have the same ending i.e. -us > -ē

pulcherrim¦us > pulcherrimē: most / very beautifully

fortissimus > fortissimē: most / very bravely

facillimus > facillimē: most / very easily

optimus > optimē: the best / very well

Again, the superlative, if no specific comparison is being made, can translate as “very” + the adverb:

Quid agis? │ How are you doing? > Bene, grātiās tibi agō. │ Well, thank you. > Optimē, grātiās tibi agō.  Very well, thank you.

quam + superlative adverb = as …ly as possible

This extract from one of Cicero’s letters shows [i] quam + the superlative adverb and [ii] the superlative adjective both conveying “as X as possible”:

simul ac prōgredī coeperō, quam celerrimē poterō, et quam crēberrimīs litterīs faciam, ut tibi nota sit omnis ratiō diērum atque itinerum meōrum (Cicero) │ as soon as I start to advance, I shall, as quickly as I possibly can, and by as frequent letters as possible, make sure that you are aware of the whole programme of my dates and routes


10.12.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [20]; comparative and superlative of adverbs [1] comparative adverbs

The comparative and superlative of adverbs is just one small step from the adjectives: we’ll begin with the comparative adverb.

Whatever the comparative form of the adjective is, it will be the neuter that is used as the comparative adverb:

[i] laetus, -a, -um: happy

> comparative adjective: laetior [masculine / feminine] │ laetius [neuter]: happier

> comparative adverb laetius: more happily

[ii] comparative adjective: pulchrior [masc. / fem.] │ pulchrius [neut.]: more beautiful

> comparative adverb: pulchrius: more beautifully

Ancilla pulchrius cantabat. │The maidservant was singing more beautifully.

Even if the comparative has an irregular form, it will still be the neuter that is used:

[iii] comparative adjective: melior [masc. / fem.] │ melius [neut.]: better

> comparative adverbs: melius: better

As with the comparative of adjectives – if no obvious comparison is being made – the translation of the comparative adverb could be “rather beautifully” or “too quickly”.

08.12.24: degrees of comparison [19]; the superlative (6); translation practice [2]

[a] Complete the translations with the English word or phrase listed below.

Plūrimōs diēs huius annī nihil fēcimus. │ For [1] __________ days (of) this year we have done nothing.

Cūr quaeritis auxilium plūrimum dē servīs deī celerrimī? │ Why do you ask for [2] __________ assistance from the servants of the [3]  __________ god?

Optima legiō, quae oppida īnsulae servāverat, crēdidit imperātōrī. │ The [4]  __________ legion, which had saved the towns of the island, believed the emperor.

Maximumne est templum, quod umquam vīdistī? │ Is the temple the [5] __________ which you have ever seen?

Pessimīs impetibus cīvibus nūllus cibus erat. │ Because of the [6] __________ attacks the citizens had no food.

Versūs quam pulcherrimōs scrīpsit poēta clārissimus. │ The [7] __________ poet wrote verses (which were) [8] __________.

Prīnceps senātūs dēbet esse quam nōbilissimus. │ The leader of the senate ought to be [9] __________.

In caelō fulgente sōle, antrum est quam obscūrissimum. │ Though the sun shines in the sky, the cave is [10] __________.

Mel est semper dulcissimum cibōrum omnium, quī in vīllā sunt. │ Honey is always the [11] __________ foods, which are in the villa.

Vēnistis ad urbem maximam tōtīus orbis terrārum. │ You have come to the [12] __________ city of [ = in] the whole world.

as beautiful as possible; as dark as possible; as noble as possible; best; biggest; greatest; most famous; sweetest of all; swiftest; the most; very many; worst

[b] Complete the translations with the Latin word listed below. Note that most of these translate as “very + adjective” rather than “most + adjective”:

Haec est rēs [1] __________. │ This is a most serious matter.

Labor [2]  __________ erat. │ The work was very difficult.

[3] __________ erat librum legere. │ It was very easy to read the book.

Oppidum in [4] __________ monte situm est. │ The town is located on the highest mountain.

Sōcratēs vir [5] __________ et [6] __________ erat. │ Socrates was a very wise and most educated man.

Amīcī in caldārium intrant, in quō aquā [7] __________ est. │ The friends go into the caldarium, in which the water is hottest.          

[8] __________ ventus ab aquilōne cum [9] __________ nebulā, et cum [10] __________ pulvere. │ A very strong wind from the north with a very large amount of fog, and very thick dust.

altissimō; calidissima; dēnsissimō; difficillimus; doctissimus; facillimum; fortissimus; gravissima; maximā; sapientissimus

Latin tutorial: superlatives

07.12.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [18]; the superlative (5); translation practice [1]

Complete the translation with the word or phrase listed below.

Pulcherrima fīlia rēgis capiētur ab inimīcīs nautīs. │ The [1] __________ daughter of the king will be captured by enemy sailors.

Apud parentēs meōs bibam vīnum dulcissimum. │ At my parentsʼ (house) I shall drink the [2] __________ wine.

In silvā nēmō vīdit candidissimum celerrimumque equum. │ In the forest no one saw the [3] __________ and [4] __________horse.

Agricola sēmina in terram firmissimam iēcit. │ The farmer threw seeds into [5] __________ land.

Nōn possunt servī veterēs novissimō hominī placēre. │ The old slaves are not able to please the [6] __________ man.

Flēns puer in āram sacerrimam pōnētur. │ The weeping boy will be placed onto the [7] __________ altar.

Nōn fīdimus huic, quī in monte altissimō habitat. │ We do not trust this man, who lives on the [8] __________ mountain.

Timētisne mortem miserrimam? │ Do you fear a [9] __________ death?

Vōcem tristissimam equitis audīvimus. │ We heard the [10] __________ voice of the cavalryman.

Ferissima animālia silvae possunt hominibus fēminīsque illīus oppidī nocēre. │ [11] The __________ animals of the forest are able to harm the men and women of that town.

Quid faciēs postquam tempestās fortissima vēnerit? │ What will you do after the [12] __________ storm has come [= will have come]?

Nēmō est dignior quam is. Est dignissimus cīvis Rōmae. │ No one is more worthy than him. He is the [13] __________ citizen of Rome.

Nōlī indulgēre fēlīcissimīs iūcundissimīsque līberīs! │ Do not indulge the [14] __________ and [15] __________ children!

Nēmō improbissimum scelus facit. │ No one does a [16] __________ crime.

Agricola pecū ovium agente, nūbēs lentissimae in caelō stetērunt. │ While the farmer was driving the flock of sheep, the [17] __________ clouds stood in the sky.

happiest; highest; most beautiful; most joyful; most radiant; most recent; most sacred; most worthy; most wretched; slowest; strongest; sweetest; very hard; very sad; very swift; very wicked; wildest

05.12.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [17]; the superlative (4); relative superlative; quam + superlative

“Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?”

Take a look at the last sentence from Peckett and Munday’s Principia:


(c) sed auris tertia est longissima omnium │ but the third ear is the longest of (them) all.

[1] The superlative can stand alone:

Fortissimus est. │ He is the bravest.

[2] The relative superlative refers to when the superlative is used in relation to something else e.g. the bravest of (all) the soldiers. Latin expresses this idea in two ways:

[i] With the genitive, and usually genitive plural since the superlative tends to be highlighting the best, worst etc. of a group, more than one person or thing:

eloquentissimus ¦ Rōmānōrum │ the most eloquent ¦ of the Romans

doctissimus ¦ magistrōrum │ the most educated ¦ of the teachers

pulcherrima omnium fēminārum │ the most beautiful ¦ of all the women

altissima ¦ arborum │ the tallest ¦ of the trees

[ii] With ē / ex + ablative plural

altissima ex arboribus │ the tallest of the trees

doctissimus ē magistrīs │ the most educated of the teachers

That is similar to English “He’s the best pupil out of that whole class.”

[3] Note that, in English, the preposition ‘in’ can be used to express a relative superlative, for example, ‘the most beautiful temple in the world,’ but Latin does not express the idea in that way:

pulcherrimum ¦ orbis [genitive] terrārum ¦ templum │ the most beautiful temple ¦ in the world

Urbs quam vidētis, pulcherrima Italiae [genitive] est. │ The city which you see is the most beautiful in Italy.

[4] In a relative superlative construction, the superlative adjective will always be translated as a superlative i.e. not as ‘very + adjective’. Compare:

mōns altissimus │ a very high mountain  │ the highest mountain

altissimus montium / altissimus ē montibus │ the highest of the mountains

quam + superlative

Don’t confuse the different uses of quam

[i] quam is used with the comparative to express the object of comparison

Mārcus altior est quam Sextus. │ Marcus is taller than Sextus.

[ii] quam is also used with the superlative but not with the same meaning

When used with a superlative quam conveys ‘as [adjective] as possible’:

quam potentissimus │ as powerful as possible

04.12.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [16]; the superlative (3); translation of the superlative

In the same way as the comparative form, when no obvious comparison is being made can be translated by ‘rather + adjective’ or ‘too + adjective’ e.g. fortior: braver / rather brave / too brave, so too the superlative can be translated as ‘very + adjective’ if there is no apparent idea of comparison:

Rēgina pulcherrima est. │ The queen is the most beautiful. │ The queen is very beautiful.

English can use most to convey the idea of 'very' rather than a superlative: 

"That was a most interesting lecture" = a very / an extremely interesting lecture, as opposed to "That was the most interesting lecture (that I've ever been to)"

However, if it is clear that a superlative is being used, then the adjective can only be translated as a superlative. 

Pulcherrima omnium fēminārum soror tua est.  Your sister is the most beautiful of all women.

Sunday, September 29, 2024

02.12.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [15]; the superlative (2); irregular superlatives; maximē + adjective

[1] There are a small number of irregular superlative forms although they have the same endings and decline in the same way as all other superlatives.

bonus, -a, -um: good > optimus, -a, -um: best

malus, -a, -um: bad > pessimus, -a, -um: worst

magnus, -a, -um: big  > maximus, -a, -um: biggest

parvus, -a, -um: small  > minimus, -a, -um: smallest

multus, -a, -um: much >  plūrimus, -a, -um: most; very many

[2] As with māior and minor, the superlatives maximus and minimus can be used when talking about ages:

Sextus maximus nātū est. │ Sextus is the eldest.          

Mārcus minimus nātū est. │ Marcus is the youngest.

Claudia maxima nātū est. │ Claudia is the eldest.        

Flavia minima nātū est. │ Flavia is the youngest.

[3] Four of these irregualr superlatives are seen in English derivatives:

optimus, -a, -um: best > Engl. deriv: optimist; optimistic

pessimus, -a, -um: worst > Engl. deriv: pessimist; pessimistic

minimus, -a, -um: smallest > Engl. deriv: minimum

maximus, -a, -um: largest > Engl. deriv: maximum

maximē + adjective

In the posts on comparatives we saw that certain adjectives which end in a vowel + us often do not form the comparative with -ior and -ius; instead they use magis (more) + the adjective. The same applies to the superlative of those adjectives where the superlative is expressed by maximē (most) + the adjective. Remember, though, that this is not a consistent use among Roman writers.

ānxius, -a, -um (anxious) > magis ānxius, -a, -um (more anxious) > maximē ānxius, -a, -um (most anxious)

  • idōneus (suitable) >  maximē idōneus (most suitable)
  • dubius (doubtful) > maximē dubius (most doubtful)
  • ēgregius (distinguished) > maximē ēgregius (most distinguished)
  • necessārius (necessary) >  maximē necessārius (most necessary)




And the world's greatest superlative: CIRCUS MAXIMUS

02.12.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [14]; the superlative (1); the biggest, the most beautiful, the best

Image #1: The superlative in English expresses: the biggest or the most beautiful or, with irregular forms e.g. the best or the worst.

a superlative performance: one that is done to the highest degree of skill

positive degree

longus, -a, um: long

comparative degree

longior, longius: longer

superlative degree

long¦issim¦us, long¦issim¦a, long¦issim¦um: (the) longest


[1] Images #2 and #3: For almost all adjectives Latin adds -issimus, -a, -um to the stem of the adjective and they decline in exactly the same way as any other 1st / 2nd declension adjective.

calid|us, -a, -um: hot > calid|issimus, -a, -um: hottest

frīgid|us, -a, -um: cold  > frīgid|issimus, -a, -um: coldest



[2] Image #4: Adjectives which end in -r in the positive degree form the superlative by adding -rimus to the masculine nominative singular form i.e. the /r/ is doubled:

pulcher, pulchra, -um: beautiful > pulcherrimus, -a, -um:  most beautiful

ācer, ācris, ācre: bitter; severe > ācerrimus, -a, -um: most bitter; most severe

[3] Image #5: For 3rd declension adjectives -issimus, -a, -um is added to the stem of the genitive singular of the positive degree of the adjective. 2 examples:

[i] nominative singular: fēlīx (happy)

> genitive singular: fēlīc¦is

> comparative: fēlīc¦ior (happier)

> superlative: fēlīc¦issimus (happiest)

[ii] nominative singular: recēns (recent)

> genitive singular: recent¦is

> comparative: recent¦ior (more recent)

> superlative: recent¦issimus (most recent)


[4] A small group of adjectives form their superlative by adding -limus, -a, -um to the stem i.e. the /l/ is doubled; the six adjectives listed below are the only ones which form the superlative in this way.

facil | is, -e: easy > facillimus, -a, -um: easiest

difficilis, -e: difficult > difficillimus, -a, -um: most difficult

similis, -e: similar > simillimus, -a, -um: most similar

dissimilis, -e: dissimilar; different > dissimillimus, -a, -um: most unlike

gracilis, -e: slender > gracillimus, -a, -um: most slender

humilis, -e: humble > humillimus, -a, -um: humblest

28.11.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [13]; some derivatives

Some Latin comparatives have ended up in English not only as adjectives but also as nouns, for example:

interior design; the interior of a house

Engl. interior < La. interior, interius (inner); not a comparative of an adjective (there is no positive degree) but of inter (between; among)

Engl. exterior < La. exterior, exterius (outer) < exter, -a, -um (on the outside)

Engl. superior < La. superior, superius (higher) < superus, -a, -um (above; upper)

Engl. inferior < La. īnferior, īnferius < īnferus, -a, -um (low)

Engl. major < La. māior, māius (bigger); irregular comparative of magnus, -a, -um (big)

Engl. minor < La. minor, minus (smaller); irregular comparative of parvus, -a, -um (small)

One of the images shows a nice English wordplay on “major” – Charles Ingram was a Major in the army, but then blatantly cheated on “Who wants to be a millionaire?”, hence the double meaning of “Major Fraud”. Incidentally he was convicted of major fraud – but, because of it, he wasn’t a Major any more!





24.11.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [12]; full declension of the comparatives

 

[i] Apart from the nom. sg. masc. / fem. [clarior; fortior], all the comparative declension in -or has a long ō: clariōris, clariōrem; fortiōrī, fortiōrēs etc.

[ii] There is an alternative accusative plural ending in -īs: clariōrēs / clariōrīs; fortiōrēs / fortiōrīs

[iii] The only distinction between masc. / fem. forms and neut. forms is in the nom. / acc sg. and pl.

[iv] Compare the declension of the comparative adjective and 3rd declension nouns. Apart from the nominative singular and the neuter accusative singular, the noun endings and the endings for the comparative adjective are the same.

All comparative adjectives, apart from plūs, are formed in the same way regardless of whether the positive form is 1st / 2nd declension or 3rd declension:

1st / 2nd declension:    longus, -a, -um > longior, -ius  

3rd declension: brevis, -e > brevior, -ius 

Latin tutorial: summary of all the points previously discussed:



Complete the translations with the words and phrases listed below:

  1. Aedificia meliora Rōmānī habent quam Gallī. │ The Roman have __________ buildings than the Gauls.
  2. Alpēs multō altiorēs quam collēs Rōmānī sunt. │ The Alps are  __________ than the hills of Rome.
  3. Vidī nūbem candidiōrem, quae in caelō fulsit. │ I saw a  __________  cloud, which shone in the sky
  4. Cucurrērunt per silvam nocte animālia ingentiōra. │ The  __________  animals ran through the forest at night.
  5. Fābulam peiōrem numquam audīvī. │I’ve never heard a  __________ tale.
  6. Rōmānī hostibus fortiōribus quam Graecīs resistēbant. │ The Romans were resisting an enemy  __________ than the Greeks.
  7. Est ōvum avis maiōris. │ It’s the egg  __________ bird. 
  8. Lupī celeriōrēs ¦ canibus sunt. │ Wolves are  __________  ¦  __________.
  9. Opera pulchriōra auctōris clāriōris legere dēbuimus. │ We had to read the  __________  works of the  __________ author.
  10. Studēmus carnī feriōris et pinguiōris animālis. │ We are eager for the meat of a  __________  and  __________ animal.
  11. Vult rēx īnsulae moenia altiōra quam templum aedificāre. │ The king of the island wants to build walls  __________  the temple.
  12. Quō clārior poēta est, hōc pulchriōrēs versūs scrībit. │  __________  famous the poet is, __________ verses he writes.
  13. Clāmōrēs equitum plūrium audīvimus. │ We heard the shouts  __________  cavalrymen.

better; braver; fatter; higher than; more famous; much higher; of a bigger; of many; rather beautiful; rather huge; rather white; swifter; than dogs; the more; the more beautiful; wilder; worse

24.11.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [11]: plūs

Pause for thought: this post looks at three features of one word, namely plūs:

[i] what it means, [ii] how it is used – and not used, and [iii] how it is formed i.e. its declension

It is a very good example of the need to decide how far you want to go when learning a particular aspect of Latin. What it means in terms of passive reading is the crucial point because, regardless of its different forms and ways in which it is used, the main aim is to recognise it and to know its meaning. When I started I focused on [i] and [ii]. I vaguely familarised myself with the endings i.e. I took a look at them but didn’t sit down and learn them.

As has been mentioned so often before, you can become more secure with the endings of Latin when reading the language in context. Look at the quotations and phrases below from two different perspectives: pretty much every example of plūs – regardless of its form - translates as ‘more’; leave the endings until later.

Another point to note: a declension table will give you all the forms, but some forms are very rare – and, as the table shows – there are occasions when one does not exist i.e. it is not attested anywhere. As Orwell (sort of) stated: “All endings are equal, but some endings are more equal than others.”


You need to find your own “level” in any language: you can simply remember that plūs means ‘more’ and move on, or you can use the notes to dig a little deeper.

plūs: more; it is the comparative form of multus, -a, -um (much)

Note: While Modern French uses plus + the adjective to form comparatives e.g. plus grand (bigger) and plus intéressant (more interesting), Latin does not use plūs in that way: you cannot say *plūs altus* or *plūs pulcher* to express taller or more  beautiful.

[1] In the singular, it functions as a noun:

paulō plūs quam mille passūs (Livy) │ a little more than 1,000 paces [= a Roman mile]

Cicero in the prosecution case against Verres:

… arātōrēs vī et metū coāctōs Aprōniō multō plūs quam dēbuerint dedisse,  │ … the cultivators, coerced by violence and fear, gave much more to Apronius than they owed

In the singular it is also used with another noun in the genitive case to express more of something:

plūs vīnī: more wine; note the French equivalent which replaces the genitive case with ‘de’ (of): plus de vin i.e. literally ‘more (of) wine’

plūs pecūniae habēre │ to have more money

plūs malī quam bonī adferre (Cicero) │ to bring more bad than good

[2] In the plural, plūrēs functions as an adjective agreeing with the noun i.e. it does not govern the genitive in the way that plūs does. 

The translation may not always specifically express “more” but some term referring to “a (fairly) great number” or, depending on context, ‘too many’:

ē plūribus ūnum: out of many, one


[3] When expressing ‘more’ with plural nouns, either [i] plūs + genitive plural or [ii] plūrēs agreeing in case with the noun. This is similar to English.

[i] Plūs ¦ nummōrum invēnimus. │ We found more (of the) coins.

[ii] Plūrēs nummōs invēnimus. │ We found more coins.

Examples:

[i]

Itaque domī gaudet, plūs in diē nummōrum accipit, quam alter patrimōnium habet. (Petronius: Satyricon) │ So he rejoices at home and receives more coins in a day than another person has as a whole fortune.

Plūs tamen hostium fuga quam proelium absūmpsit; (Livy)│ Yet more of the enemy perished in flight than in the battle

plūs voluptātum habēre quam dolōrum (Cicero) │ to have more (of) pleasures than (of) pains

A fairly loose translation of a line from Juvenal:

Aspice portūs et plēnum magnīs trabibus mare: plūs hominum es iam in pelagō. Look at our ports, our seas, crowded with big ships ! The men at sea now outnumber those on shore [i.e. more men]

[ii]

… cum ōrātōrēs duo aut plūrēs populī iūdiciō probantur (Cicero) │ … when two or more speakers are judged by the people

Quid ego plūra dīcam? (Cicero) │ What more (words) am I to say?

In these last two examples, note how the translation may not be "more" but rather some general expression of a large number which can vary depending upon context:

Iste petit ā rēge et ¦ eum plūribus verbīs ¦ rogat ut id ad sē mittat (Cicero) │ He begs the king, and ¦ entreats him most earnestly [= asks him with very / too many words] ¦ to send it to him

Inde plūrium diērum praeparātīs cibāriīs cōnsilium erat īre ad hostem (Livy)  │ From there, after several days' rations had been prepared, the plan was to march against the enemy.

20.11.24: level 2 degrees of comparison [10]: translation practice

Complete the translations with the missing words and phrases listed below.

  1. Ego beātior sum ¦ illō. │ I’m __________ ¦ __________.
  2. Fīlius noster nunc aegrior est quam erat. │ Our son is now __________ than he was.
  3. Urbs frequentior est quam rūs. │ The city is __________ crowded __________ the countryside.
  4. Vir fortior nōn capiētur et interficiētur. │ A __________ man will not be captured and killed.
  5. Rēx multō prudentior quam frāter est. │ The king is __________ than his brother.
  6. Nihil libertāte melius est  │ Nothing is better __________.
  7. Tam dīves quam Croesus est. │ He is __________ as Croesus.
  8. Ille nōn tam altus quam hic est.  │ That man is not as __________ this one.
  9. Quantō gravius bellum est, tantō territior populus oppidī est. │ __________ serious the war, __________ are the people of the town.
  10. Cuius vultus pulchrior vidētur? │ Whose face seems __________?
  11. Saeviorne dea est quam illa? │ Is the goddess __________ than __________?
  12. Sextus est paulō minor quam Mārcus. │ Sextus is __________than Marcus.
  13. Hic discipulus est minus diligēns quam ille. │ This pupil is __________ hard-working than that one. 

a little smaller; as wealthy; crueller; less; more; more blessed; much wiser; prettier; sicker; tall as; than; than freedom; than he (is); that one; the more; the more frightened

20.11.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [9]; ablative of degree of difference with multō, paulō etc.

The adverb multō ‘by much’, originally an ablative of multus, is used when emphasising the amount of difference; in grammar this is known as the ablative of degree of difference i.e. by how much something / someone is taller, wider, richer etc.

Rēx multō fortior quam frāter est. │ The king is much / far braver than his brother.

Ego in terram eō multō pulchriōrem.  │ I am going to a much more beautiful country.

Horātia multō prūdentior est quam cēterae. │ Horatia is much wiser than the others.

Examples of other adverbs which function in the same way are:

[i] paulō: by a little

haec quaestiō paulō difficilior est │ this problem is a little more difficult

[ii] tantō: by so much; tantō melior / melius │ all (so much) the better

'tantō melior' inquit 'Massa, dōnō tibi cālīgās'. (Petronius) │ “Better than ever, Massa,” he said, “I will give you a pair of boots.”

[iii] dīmidiō:  by half; dimidio brevius │ shorter by half; half as short

Hibernia īnsula, dīmidiō minor ut exīstimātur quam Britannia (Caesar) │ Ireland, smaller, as is reckoned, than Britain, by one half

[iv] aliquantō: by a little (somewhat); considerably

Johannes Jonstonus’s 300 page work on birds published in 1657 has a superb set of illustrations. In the descriptions of the birds there are many good examples of comparatives and the use of aliquantō:

Masculus aliquantō longior est, corpore, collō ac cristā ampliōrī. Rōstrum fēminae brevius est … [Johannes Jonstonus: Historiae naturalis de avibus (1657)] │ The male is somewhat longer, with a larger body, neck, and crest. The female's beak is shorter … 


Latin tutorial: ablative of degree of difference

Friday, September 27, 2024

16.11.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [8]; translation of comparatives

The comparative may not always be translated as ____er or more ____ but as [i] rather + adjective or [ii] too + adjective

Where no obvious comparison is being made:

‘Mīles fortior est.’ could equally be translated as ‘The soldier is braver’ or ‘The soldier is rather brave’

‘hoc difficilius est’ / this is more difficult / this is rather difficult / this is too difficult; context will determine whether rather / too + adjective is preferable to a comparative.

If, however, a comparison is clearly being made (with something or someone else) then only a translation as a comparative will be used:

Mīles fortior quam agricola est. / The soldier is braver than the farmer.

16.11.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [7]; object of comparison (2); [i] tam … quam …; [ii] minus … quam …, and [iii] the bigger the better!

[1] Two people / things being compared may be the same i.e. a comparative of equality. English uses “X is as [adjective] as Y” e.g. John is as tall as Peter. Alternatively, a person / thing may not be as big as someone / something else. In this type of construction a comparative adjective is not used – either in English or in Latin.

To express this idea Latin uses (nōn) tam [adjective] quam

Antōnius est tam [altus] quam Lūcius. │ Antonius is as [tall] as Lucius.

Tam esse clēmēns tyrannus quam rēx importūnus potest (Cicero) │ A tyrant may be as mild as a king may be harsh

Via Latīna nōn tam longa est quam via Appia. │The Latin Road is not as long as the Appian Way.

Nōn enim tam praeclārum est scīre Latīnē quam turpe nescīre (Cicero) │ For it is not as praiseworthy to know Latin as it is shameful to not know it.

From “In taberna quando sumus” (Medieval)

Tam prō Pāpā quam prō rēge / bibunt omnēs sine lēge │ Without restraint they all drink [literally] as to the Pope as to the king [ = equally to the Pope and to the king; they drink as many toasts to the Pope as they do to the king]

[2] one may be less than as opposed to more than

minus … quam …

Canis minus vēlōx quam cervus est. │ A dog is less swift than a deer.

Mīles minus fortis quam prūdēns est. │ The soldier is less brave than wise. 

English may “play around” with translations of “less” i.e. “The dog is slower than a deer / isn’t as swift as a deer” and “The soldier is not so much brave as wise”.

[3] “The bigger, the better / the more the merrier”

[a] quantō [+ comparative] … tantō [+ comparative] / the ____ er … the ____ er

Quantō pulchrior tempestās erat, tantō fēlīciōrēs erāmus. │ The nicer the weather was, the happier we were.

[b] quō [+ comp.] … hōc (eō) [+ comp.] / the ____ er … the ____ er

Quō pulchrior tempestās erat, hōc fēlīciōrēs erāmus. │ The nicer the weather was, the happier we were.

Quō quis est fortior, est generōsior.  The braver someone is, the nobler he is.

Quō quid est melius, rārius est. │ The better a thing, the rarer it is.



Thursday, September 26, 2024

12.11.24: level 2; degrees of comparison [6]; object of comparison (1)

[1] A comparative can stand alone:

The second nose is longer.

[2] A comparative can also compare X to Y:

The second nose is longer ¦ than the first nose.

‘than’ introduces the object of comparison i.e. the person / thing which is being compared.

[3] Latin can form the object of comparison in two ways:

[i] comparative + quam (than) + the person / thing being compared; similar to English:

Nāsus secundus est longior quam nāsus prīmus.

[ii] The object of comparison is in the ablative case without quam

Nāsus secundus est longior nāsō prīmō.

[i] and [ii] have the same meaning

The man is stronger than the boy.

This can be expressed in both ways as shown above:

[i] Vir [nominative] fortior est ¦ quam puer [nominative].

[ii] Vir [nominative] fortior est ¦ puerō [ablative].

Similarly:

Haec via longior ¦ quam illa est. │ Haec via longior ¦ illā [ablative] est. │ This road is longer than that one.

Maior nātū sum ¦ quam frāter. │ Maior nātū sum ¦  frātre. [ablative] │ I’m older than my brother.

Minor nātū sum ¦ quam soror. │ Minor nātū sum ¦ sorōre. │ I’m younger than my sister.

[4] When quam is used the nouns being compared are in the same case:

[i] The walls ¦ of the city are higher ¦ than the estate’s [= (those) of the estate]

Moenia urbis [genitive] altiora sunt quam villae [genitive].

[ii] I  have never seen ¦ a more sensible girl ¦ than Flavia.

Numquam puellam prūdentiōrem [accusative] vīdī quam Flāviam [accusative].

[iii] I  have seen ¦ many braver men ¦ than Achilles.

Multōs virōs vīdī fortiōrēs [accusative] quam Achillem [accusative]. 

[iv] The journey is longer by road ¦ than by sea.

Iter longius viā [ablative] ¦ quam marī [ablative] est. 



Latin tutorials:

[i] comparisons with quam



[ii] ablative of comparison